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#392	02/18/2018 4:57:59 am	Dec 4th, 2003
Davecool Joined: 02/09/2018 Posts: 3 Inactive	How do we redshift players? I've looked all over the place, and I can't figure it out. I have a 3-star sophomore who hasn't played at all that I want to redshift to develop some more.

#402	02/18/2018 11:36:40 pm	Dec 4th, 2003
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2494 Hardwood Administrator	Under management, set player's PT setting to zero. Steve

#403	02/19/2018 2:23:14 pm	Dec 6th, 2003
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	The problem is, there is no indication if they are still eligible to red shirt. Do non-conference games count against red shirt?

#407	02/19/2018 11:54:00 pm	Dec 6th, 2003
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2494 Hardwood Administrator	At this point, the redshirt threshold is set to 5 games or less (for freshman through juniors). The problem is there isn't a great rule in college basketball to use as a rule of thumb. For normal redshirt, they can't play any time. For medical redshirts, it's like 20% of games. What do you think it should be in Hardwood? Thanks, Steve

#410	02/20/2018 8:05:11 am	Dec 6th, 2003
Brewnoe Joined: 02/12/2018 Posts: 117 Inactive	For the sake of teams joining part way into the season ... would 10 games / 80 minutes be a reasonable point? (edit) meaning a player that breaks either can't redshirt Updated Tuesday, February 20 2018 @ 8:06:26 am PST

#415	02/20/2018 8:06:44 pm	Dec 11th, 2003
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	I'd say for ease of use, just make it 0. Unless you plan to put season ending injuries in, most people are going to decide red shirts before the start of the season. Just make sure what ever the number is, its in the Help. Would also be great if guys who were still eligible were somehow marked on the Management/Rotation page as being eligible. Maybe even just another column with a check mark saying if they are eligible. EDIT: Also make sure to note in the rules that seniors can't be red shirted. I would red shirt seniors if I thought they could be, and that would be extremely annoying to find out later they somehow failed to red shirt after sacrificing their most productive year. Updated Tuesday, February 20 2018 @ 8:08:49 pm PST

#416	02/20/2018 10:07:28 pm	Dec 11th, 2003
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2494 Hardwood Administrator	All good points...I think this aspect of the rules/game hasn't been decided yet. I guess the other questions is...should non-scholarship players ever redshirt? Steve Updated Tuesday, February 20 2018 @ 10:10:11 pm PST

#445	02/23/2018 5:18:29 am	Dec 13th, 2003
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	My first inclination is "yes", but then why would the guy pay for an extra year of schooling? Maybe you would have to give them a scholarship their senior year? Or maybe they just don't red shirt. I'm starting to think this is the simpler, more logical implementation. Maybe give people the option to give a walk-on a scholarship, which would then allow them to red shirt the walk-on?

#448	02/23/2018 9:44:46 am	Dec 18th, 2003
Brewnoe Joined: 02/12/2018 Posts: 117 Inactive	I'd say for ease of use, just make it 0. Rock ... do you realize (we should hope) people will join mid-season ... and the AI might not be smart about giving zero play time to low-SI prospects with potential? Maybe give people the option to give a walk-on a scholarship, which would then allow them to red shirt the walk-on? Sounds good ... but I wouldn't allow red shirts for freshman walk-ons ... they need to earn it Updated Friday, February 23 2018 @ 10:23:10 am PST

#456	02/23/2018 4:03:36 pm	Dec 18th, 2003
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	AIs make lots of bad decisions, and we all have to pick up from where they left off. Seems like a lot of work to go through for the edge case where the AI played a guy it should have red shirted, but you are only a couple games into the season, so you can still red shirt him. What about folks who joined halfway through the season, and the AI already played the player too much. Why do they get less control then those who joined 3 games into the season. Much simpler to just make it all or nothing. Otherwise you will have people crying that they couldn't log in, and the guy they wanted to red shirt accidentally played in 6 games.

#457	02/23/2018 4:05:12 pm	Dec 18th, 2003
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	I wouldn't allow red shirts for freshman walk-ons ... they need to earn it A red shirt for a walk-on is a punishment, not a reward. It means you don't get to play, and you still have to pay for school. Which is why most walk-ons would simply refuse to red shirt. If they don't play, they ARE redshirted automatically. But it doesn't mean they are going to stick around for 5 years. Updated Friday, February 23 2018 @ 4:06:07 pm PST

#742	03/16/2018 9:28:20 am	Feb 5th, 2004
Luizmussa Joined: 02/13/2018 Posts: 21 Inactive	Just noticed a RS SR of mine who played in 23 games and have 3.0 minutes/game. Is that OK? How's the redshirt rule working right now?

#744	03/16/2018 1:00:08 pm	Feb 7th, 2004
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	If is says RS SR, then he already used up his red shirt. This is his last year. Only guys who don't currently show the RS can be red shirted in the current year.

#760	03/16/2018 7:39:29 pm	Feb 7th, 2004
coachwannabe Joined: 03/09/2018 Posts: 437 Penn Quakers V.3	Is there a way to make it that a player has to designate a player as a redshirt, rather than have it automatic based on games? You could possibly set it that a player can be redshirted as long as they haven't played in more than 5 games or something. This way, players could redshirt SO, JR, or SR (as long as they hadn't been previously redshirted), if they want to try to develop them more and get them back the next year. Also, people could choose to redshirt the good walk-ons but let the bad ones graduate faster. As a catch, you could make it that if a player is over XX SI, they cannot be redshirted, to prevent people from unrealistically redshirting a Michael Jordan-esk player. One additional suggestion would be to add in random transfers (or players who turn pro early). That way, if a player tries to redshirt a good player (or 3-year starter) in their senior year, the player is at a higher risk of transferring to a lower division school or going pro early. Again, to discourage people from being unrealistic in their processes.

#770	03/16/2018 10:43:48 pm	Feb 7th, 2004
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2494 Hardwood Administrator	If you set the playing time to zero for the season, then the player will be red shirted. That works okay now. I understand people want a more straightforward way to do this (maybe a checkbox?). We can add that at some point. The short-term issue with red-shirt seniors (other than you never see it, other than for injury, in real time), is that it breaks the recruiting limit. We are currently using the number of seniors to determine the number of eligible scholarships for next season. It's just trickier if some of those seniors come back -- what do you do with the prospect who committed?? Steve

#780	03/17/2018 12:20:04 am	Feb 7th, 2004
coachwannabe Joined: 03/09/2018 Posts: 437 Penn Quakers V.3	Yeah, that's fair. I'm also pulling some of my knowledge from other games that I've played over year (as I've been into basketball sims for a long time). Some do a "roster check" type of thing at the beginning of each season. So teams will confirm who they want on their roster before season rollover. This would allow teams to make cuts as necessary (and there would be a minimum number of players / maximum number of players to have). Then you could prevent the Sr redshirt from happening. Tbh, I don't see many people using Sr redshirt anyways. So we could ban that altogether and allow it for Soph / Jr.

#781	03/17/2018 4:03:38 am	Feb 7th, 2004
Brewnoe Joined: 02/12/2018 Posts: 117 Inactive	Just a thought ... how about a borrow from broken bat and have "RS" as minors - only fresh/soph/(maybe junior) with under X minutes played can be assigned to the RS team ... and RS can be assigned a position they learn (instead of losing)

#792	03/17/2018 11:48:27 am	Feb 12th, 2004
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	The checkbox is the simplest and most easy to understand. And the checkbox could be greyed out if they are in-eligible. It will be a common case where people want to play a freshman, but then red shirt him in his sophomore year.

#796	03/17/2018 12:19:46 pm	Feb 12th, 2004
Deuce Joined: 03/16/2018 Posts: 9 Inactive	I really like the checkbox for redshirting. As it is now I have guys that are redshirting that I don't want to stay. They are set to 0 minutes and by default I'll be stuck with them again. I suppose i could play them and lose, this way they would at least move on. Checkbox please!

#810	03/17/2018 7:34:22 pm	Feb 12th, 2004
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2494 Hardwood Administrator	As it is now I have guys that are redshirting that I don't want to stay. Scholarship players or walk-ons? Steve

#811	03/17/2018 8:53:31 pm	Feb 12th, 2004
Deuce Joined: 03/16/2018 Posts: 9 Inactive	College players, this one for sure and maybe another.. http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/player/104

#812	03/17/2018 8:55:52 pm	Feb 12th, 2004
Deuce Joined: 03/16/2018 Posts: 9 Inactive	Looks like it means he already redshirted, confusing! I'll re-read this section and the manual but feel free to explain it to me.

#813	03/17/2018 9:11:22 pm	Feb 12th, 2004
Deuce Joined: 03/16/2018 Posts: 9 Inactive	So after reading everything I see this.. "You can use the no playing time setting ('0') for players you wish to redshirt." That's fine but if it's not too much trouble to do, a check box that automatically sits him out for the season and redshirts him would be best. New managers will just have to deal with what the bot does as they always do.

#820	03/19/2018 11:35:13 am	Feb 14th, 2004
el_jefe_loco Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 43 Inactive	+1 Duece

#837	03/21/2018 7:23:37 pm	Feb 21st, 2004
Kieran Joined: 02/23/2018 Posts: 45 Inactive	How do we take out the redshirt previously assigned by the previous owner/npc?

#838	03/22/2018 6:48:47 am	Feb 21st, 2004
Rock777 Joined: 02/02/2018 Posts: 1532 Inactive	If it says "redshirt" then they already have it.

#849	03/22/2018 1:37:02 pm	Feb 21st, 2004
Kieran Joined: 02/23/2018 Posts: 45 Inactive	Yeah, but how I can remove the "redshirt" from a player.

#866	03/23/2018 12:23:23 am	Feb 21st, 2004
Deuce Joined: 03/16/2018 Posts: 9 Inactive	You can't remove it, it means he redshirted in a previous season. To redshirt a player for the current season you have to set his minutes to zero and there's currently no indicator that he is currently redshirting.