Hardwood - Suggestions: Portal

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#20869	12/11/2023 5:30:23 am	Dec 15th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	The Portal may be bigger than HS recruiting in todays game. I feel like this game would do very well with the transfer portal added. I feel like it would be an added twist to hardwood. Im just gonna leave this here.

#20870	12/11/2023 5:34:43 am	Dec 15th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	Although I can definitely see the other side of not wanting one too. 1.) It is a lot of work for Steve. 2.) It may hurt some of the more established teams.(It could also help them too because if I was a transfer, I would want to go to a great team!)

#20871	12/11/2023 6:51:02 am	Dec 15th, 2035
Fireballer34 Joined: 02/11/2023 Posts: 80 Albany Great Danes IV.2	I also brought up this idea, and I think it wouldn’t work unless people know the risks. There has to be something when you are recruiting a player that says they may transfer. Or there could be some thing like loyalty in broken bat, it gets lower when a player doesn’t get playing time or something and the lower it gets the higher risk of transfer. Would transferring be random or would you have to kind of recruit the players in the portal?

#20872	12/11/2023 9:25:47 am	Dec 15th, 2035
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 441 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	Just to give you an idea of what others have said about a transfer portal before you, at least so you are not starting at square 0. And that includes word from the admin as well as several previous threads started by therelabeef. http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/index.php?searchFor=transfer&goButton=Search&type=forum&content=search_results Updated Monday, December 11 2023 @ 9:26:38 am PST

#20873	12/11/2023 9:40:46 am	Dec 15th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	Thank you gards for the past discussions on the portal. After skimming through these there seems to be 3 main problems with the transfer portal. 1.) Would hurt established teams and would be a "gift" to struggling programs and new users 2.) This ones just me, but I think it would take a lot of work to implement such a big factor into the game. 3.) How would it even work?? 4.) Waste of recruiting points you previously spent.

#20874	12/11/2023 10:17:01 am	Dec 20th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	Please read this and I think it is a very good proposal. Any questions or concerns please but below! Thank yall TRANSFER PORTAL MANIFESTO Okay so this is a document with my own implementation of adding the transfer portal to hardwood. Below is my full idea how I could possibly see it playing out, and making this already excellent game, more realistic. So with the transfer portal there would need to be one thing added to the game to make it work. Moral - This would be the main way for you to see if a player could potentially want out at the end of the season. I would personally have moral on a scale of 1-20, just like the rest of the player abilities. This being said, Any moral below 5 could mean a player would want out. Morals could be based on many things but I think it should be based on 4 main ideas. Projected Playing time. - If a player believes he should be playing and is not, that should lower his morale. This could be based off the talent of the players starting for him in his respective position Redshirting - If a freshman believes he can make an immediate impact on a team due to talent reasons, and gets redshirted instead. This should definitely lower morale. I feel like the punishment is not large enough for teams redshirting 5 and 4 stars who could be playing significant minutes. If a 5 star is redshirted because there is better talent ahead of him, then this should not affect his morale. New Coaching Hires - I feel like this could and should affect morale the most out of all of these. These recruits commit to play for a coach, and if that coach is fired during a player's tenure with the team, this would have an obvious effect on the players. It should be said that some players will be fine with a coaching change(especially if it is a known veteran coach) , so that should be implemented into the algorithm. State of the team - A past 4 or 5 star player should really not belong in division three. If I were a recruit, this would bother me. So your state of your team should affect some highly touted players who want to play for a winning program. (Temple, Western MI, Dominican, Azusa P, Butler) + Ok now that we are finished with morale and how a player could transfer out, we should now look at how you could potentially receive a transfer. It should also be noted that if a player has a morale under 5, they should have about a 40/60% chance of transferring. If it is in that 6-9 range they should have about a 15/85% chance of transferring. Most players should have a high morale and it should be pretty difficult to get it under 5. Getting a Portal Player I feel like this is the easiest part of the transfer portal process. During that 3-4 day span in between seasons ( Usually Friday-Monday) you should be able to use Portal Points. After a season, there should be a list of players who have entered the portal. Next to the players names, there should be an interest level already stated. So a transfer interest in your school could be High, Medium, Low or nothing before you have used a single Portal Point. That being said, a player cannot come to your school if you have not offered him a scholarship. Also note that other teams and users cannot see a player's interest in your college until you offer the player a scholarship. Also you can obtain as many transfers as you want, as long as you have enough scholarships to give out after High School Recruiting. If a previous player of yours has entered the portal, he can still recommit back depending on his interest in your school. Only scholarship players on your roster can enter the transfer portal. If there are leftover players in the portal with 0 offered scholarships (the weaker transfers), they can randomly join a team not on scholarship just like a walk-on would. Updated Monday, December 11 2023 @ 10:18:59 am PST Updated Monday, December 11 2023 @ 10:19:50 am PST

#20875	12/11/2023 10:31:19 am	Dec 20th, 2035
Fireballer34 Joined: 02/11/2023 Posts: 80 Albany Great Danes IV.2	Those factors work except for the state of the team one. I agree there needs to be a factor something like that, but for high star recruits, they shouldn’t transfer out after one season of the team sucking. They should only transfer for the other reasons, OR if the team continues to be bad after a few years AND the player is pretty much carrying the team, then they whould seek a transfer.

#20876	12/11/2023 11:00:54 am	Dec 20th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	Yes that is more what I meant. Like after a couple years with the team they have not met the level of play where the player wants to play at. But I agree with you

#20877	12/11/2023 12:48:17 pm	Dec 20th, 2035
imad0211 Joined: 03/23/2021 Posts: 106 Inactive	we need to be able to make a promise to recruits and if the promise is not met then the chance of them transferring is higher

#20878	12/11/2023 1:07:22 pm	Dec 20th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	I think that is pretty reasonable. Would probably be a hard thing to implement into the game though because it would be personalized around each seperate player.

#20879	12/11/2023 4:34:11 pm	Dec 20th, 2035
Bielsa Joined: 04/28/2021 Posts: 54 Inactive	I think the only way for thisto work, if it even makes sense, is to let coaches to send any player into the transfer portal to get backa scholarship. With that you can give recruiting penalties to those programs and any other feature you want. But adding any more sort of RNG/Luck to the logic of this game should be ilegl, the balance is perfect as it is now.

#20880	12/12/2023 5:31:56 am	Dec 20th, 2035
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	I agree there. I dont really think there is any luck involved in my version though

#20902	12/16/2023 10:54:14 am	Jan 5th, 2036
Blackbeard Joined: 03/17/2019 Posts: 558 St. Johns Red Storm V.3	Updated Saturday, December 16 2023 @ 11:15:40 am PST

#20927	12/20/2023 9:35:59 am	Jan 17th, 2036
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 455 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	1.) Would hurt established teams and would be a "gift" to struggling programs and new users 2.) This ones just me, but I think it would take a lot of work to implement such a big factor into the game. 3.) How would it even work?? 4.) Waste of recruiting points you previously spent. 1. No. In real life, that is not the case. The best transfers go to established teams. Look at 2023. The reasons do not exist in Hardwood at this time. There are players who surpass predictions and expectations, but the best players go to the best teams in Hardwood. We don't know what the portal system would be, but if a 5-star 13 POT transfers from a Conference somewhere relevant to Division 3, it would be a recruiting violation in my eyes. 2. After they sign their national letter of intent LOI, we don't know anything about a player's feelings whatsoever. We don't know why they would want to transfer. We know two things: that they have 100% loyalty to their alma mater and that they 100% graduate in 4-5 years. No other info. If they don't like their coach, don't like a lack of playing time, don't like redshirting, we are never told that. 3. See number 2. A personality system would need to be developed. It could simply work like the waiver system in Broken Bat too, if the player unhappiness situation is reached, then they enter the portal. 4. An unhappy or disappointed player would not care about your recruiting points.

#21429	06/20/2024 3:51:18 am	Mar 11th, 2039
Fireballer34 Joined: 02/11/2023 Posts: 80 Albany Great Danes IV.2	Bump