Hardwood - Suggestions: Increase Fatigue Effects

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#21714	11/12/2024 2:20:06 pm	Dec 21st, 2041
mavstar21 Joined: 08/14/2019 Posts: 87 Wisconsin-Superior Yellow Jackets IV.8	Haha all good mate. My fault for recruiting a bunch of couch potatos

#21719	11/13/2024 1:44:59 pm	Dec 26th, 2041
Dytrea123 Joined: 04/23/2022 Posts: 8 Trine Thunder III.3	Gards is correct, but I want to add that the in-game fatigue effect might need to be affected more than injuries. Almost every starter I have is high fatigue by the end of the game and if it was like recruiting it would be Very high. Yet these guys still crank out points in the second half like crazy, like how are guys hitting shots after 38 minutes (which is like 95 possessions) of straight running. I've had 0 injuries this season which should not be happening since my guys are all on very high fatigue by the end of the game. Updated Wednesday, November 13 2024 @ 1:45:14 pm PST

#21720	11/13/2024 3:23:29 pm	Dec 26th, 2041
BMacG Joined: 03/19/2023 Posts: 19 Rochester Institute of Technology Tigers IV.4	We have in-game fatigue effects -- which occasionally are reported in the game report, but always exist. And we have fatigue "injuries". So which do we need to increase? And is fatigue effect sufficient, but just not reported enough? Thanks, Steve I think both need to be adjusted but by varying degrees. The defensive impact of fatigue doesn't seem bad to me - in my own experiments with high fatigue it seems to almost always lead to allowing more scoring. But on offense the impacts probably need to be increased noticeably. I don't know how it's currently implemented, or how hard it is to adjust it, but I feel like it should not be linear - "low" fatigue should probably only have a small impact like it currently does, as in an actual game I think it's very normal for everyone to have a little fatigue at the end. Moderate should have a slightly larger impact than it currently does, and Heavy fatigue should carry a higher penalty than it currently does. For injuries very similar, where low should probably not have much of an impact, but Heavy should carry a much larger increase in injury chance than it currently seems to. Ideally there would be some sort of cumulative effect: a heavy fatigue game here or there or from OT games is no big deal, but 3, 4, 5, etc games in a row should compound and lead to a severe increase in the effects of high fatigue, but I don't know how hard implementing a cumulative system like that would be. A compromise idea could also be that in exchange for increasing the performance effects and injury chance of fatigue, high minutes played could have an impact on increasing stamina development?

#21726	11/14/2024 9:51:47 pm	Dec 28th, 2041
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2420 Hardwood Administrator	The players only experience heavy fatigue in the last few minutes of the game. So they are able to score well in the second half, because they are not overly fatigued for much of the game. In contrast to the past, when coach John Wooden rarely rested his starters, today's players see significantly reduced average playing times, with 35 minutes per game now considered substantial. Fatigue often sets in as the game progresses, negating any advantage either team may have built up. However, if one team is playing significantly more minutes, they may lose their edge over the opposition. Do people believe we should implement more in-game fatigue indicators, or is it sufficient to display fatigue metrics mostly in the box score? Steve

#21727	11/15/2024 4:54:20 am	Dec 28th, 2041
TavesSoul Joined: 06/25/2020 Posts: 142 Nazareth Golden Flyers IV.8	I think more in-game fatigue factors (particularly on offense) would be great. Doesn't seem to affect that side of the ball at all. Also an increase in fatigue driven injuries if you're running Moderate/Heavy fatigue often.

#21728	11/15/2024 1:51:59 pm	Jan 2nd, 2042
lmartins6746 Joined: 02/26/2020 Posts: 245 North Greenville Crusaders III.2	I think fatigue should set in before the last few minutes. A Player playing too long at one time and not sitting enough might have moderately reduced ability at the end of his rotation in the game then possibly start his next rotation with slightly reduced ability. For example don't we think a low stamina Player that is playing the entire game would see an ability reduction due to fatigue towards the end of the first half?

#21730	11/17/2024 2:25:25 pm	Jan 9th, 2042
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2420 Hardwood Administrator	Let me restate -- fatigue begins to affect players as early as 10 minutes of action (later for players with better attributes). However, the initial affects are small. Heavy fatigue (and larger penalties) for most players isn't an issue until the end of the game. Looking into the best options to punch up fatigue effects. Seems like there are two things that need to be account for -- total number of minutes played in a game and number of games with excessive minutes (like an overworked factor). Steve

#21731	11/17/2024 6:35:19 pm	Jan 9th, 2042
Dytrea123 Joined: 04/23/2022 Posts: 8 Trine Thunder III.3	With the total number of minutes played in a game I'm guessing you already plan on it but possessions should also be a big factor, 35 minutes of a 60-possession game is a lot different than 35 minutes of a 90-possession game. I love the idea of overworked players being penalized over the course of several games of heavy fatigue.

#21732	11/18/2024 12:51:35 pm	Jan 11th, 2042
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2420 Hardwood Administrator	Yes, move possessions (i.e. more up and down the court) does mean greater fatigue. Steve

#21733	11/19/2024 10:25:07 pm	Jan 16th, 2042
naph Joined: 02/29/2020 Posts: 581 St. Marys Gaels III.1	I could take or leave more injury effects. You added some "Fatigue" injuries a while back. Injuries aren't fun. But, they do add a bit of randomness, and encourage deeper rosters which I'm generally in favor of. My primary concern is that ultra-tight rotations seem too viable as heavy fatigue doesn't seem to degrade performance as much as I would expect. Updated Wednesday, November 20 2024 @ 2:13:29 am PST