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#20827	12/03/2023 1:30:29 pm	Nov 22nd, 2035	Ignore
Fireballer34 Joined: 02/11/2023 Posts: 80 Albany Great Danes IV.2	I think that only division 1 teams should have players eligible to be all-American. Then the selection could be based more on stats. There could also be all American division 2 and 3 and they all would be stat based.
#20828	12/03/2023 2:29:08 pm	Nov 22nd, 2035	Ignore
chousley4 Joined: 03/31/2022 Posts: 15 Northwest Missouri State Bearcats III.1	I think a player must be All Conference to be named All American or POTY. Skills/stats/Win% should all be important aspects IMO.
#20830	12/03/2023 5:11:38 pm	Nov 22nd, 2035	Ignore
pschwartz Joined: 05/07/2019 Posts: 857 Inactive	I don't think skills should be in play at all. What should matter are results on the court such as: - Stats (pts, asts, stls for perimeter players, points, rebounds, blocks for post players, POTG for everyone) - Level of competition (could be as simple as LL or SOS) - Team success (Win%, good players on bad teams really shouldn't be considered). Could also just use RPI which takes care of team success and level of competition. I agree that it should be limited to all-conference players but is that list still good? Marvin Reardon made All-Conference in LL1 last season at PG averaging 24/6 and they finished 14th in conference.
#20831	12/03/2023 5:30:37 pm	Nov 22nd, 2035	Ignore
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 441 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	Agreed with everything pschwartz said.
#20833	12/03/2023 9:51:38 pm	Nov 22nd, 2035	Ignore
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 455 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	When it comes to All-American merit, potential because they'll likely get drafted, Hoops IQ would be sweet, RPI, SI. I feel like weighting of RPI highest of the submitted suggestions as the next change is acceptable. Successful players carry teams, indicated in a school's RPI. Understand that stats can't be poured over unless there is a future committee from the Hardwood community. Could always have pre-season All-American awards for players and schools to watch.
#20834	12/04/2023 7:03:56 am	Nov 22nd, 2035	Ignore
AbeFroman Joined: 09/05/2022 Posts: 24 Ferrum Panthers V.14	Weighing in: I don’t think skills should count for as much as stats (performance). I’ve had under and over performers (IQ often seems to be a reason) and in the end I don’t care if you’re 7’ and 3 OS… if you can score from anywhere on the court and shutdown opponents your 100 SI means nothing. Agreed with D1 (and maybe additional All-Americans for other divisions). Efficiency rating is about the best indicator I could find that can be calculated using the stats available in HW. That plus team performance and possibly leading the Division in certain stats should weigh heavily. Just my thoughts.
#20868	12/10/2023 9:07:37 pm	Dec 15th, 2035
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2461 Hardwood Administrator	Okay...I think we're going to start using a more balanced evaluation of players -- including skills, statistics and conference awards. Steve
#20996	01/10/2024 4:55:25 am	Mar 22nd, 2036	Ignore
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 455 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	Updated Wednesday, January 10 2024 @ 4:58:27 am PST
#20999	01/10/2024 10:57:15 am	Mar 29th, 2036	Ignore
Blackbeard Joined: 03/17/2019 Posts: 558 St. Johns Red Storm V.3	Since this is about all american award criteria and hardwood has the goal of being as "realistic" as possible then why not follow the way the real world picks all american atheletes. Since I don't know much about it I reference wiki. This is how it is realistically done. "The Academic All-America program is a student-athlete recognition program. The program selects an honorary sports team composed of the most outstanding student-athletes of a specific season for positions in various sports—who in turn are given the honorific "Academic All-American". Since 1952, College Sports Communicators (formerly CoSIDA) has bestowed Academic All-American recognition on male and female athletes in Divisions I, II, and III of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) as well as athletes in the NAIA, other U.S. four-year schools, two-year colleges, and Canadian universities, covering all championship sports. The award honors student-athletes who have performed well academically and athletically while regularly competing for their institution." This statement is the point of this and I quote: "The award honors student-athletes who have performed well academically and athletically while regularly competing for their institution." As far as HW is concerned there isn't anything academically other than a players IQ. No classrooms etc. And since real life all american athletes are student athlete in all the college sports that have to perform on the field or court as well as the classroom part 2 means on court statistics and apparently both are weighted equally. So for the sake of this argument and realism. HW should then chose the all american team based on a players IQ, not his SI along with his on court performance, Ie. statistics... Thats the only correct way to do it, either that or don't do it at all. IMO, it should be based only on a players IQ and his stats... That is if you want it to be realistic. Updated Wednesday, January 10 2024 @ 11:08:33 am PST
#21001	01/10/2024 1:27:26 pm	Mar 29th, 2036	Ignore
bengalman501 Joined: 12/05/2021 Posts: 19 Cal Poly Pomona Broncos II.1	The world of College Basketball is often wanting to portray the look of students first and athletes second. But in real life, we know that players are used for profit more than anything. The written part here about All-American is just another piece of BS that the NCAA spews out. Last years All-American first team Zach Edey- Not on All-Academic team https://bigten.org/news/2023/3/22/2023_Winter_Academic_All-Big_Ten.aspx Trayce Jackson-Davis- Not on All-Academic team https://bigten.org/news/2023/3/22/2023_Winter_Academic_All-Big_Ten.aspx Marcus Sasser- Not on All-Academic team https://big12sports.com/news/2023/4/26/conference-2023-winter-academic-all-big-12-team-recognizes-481.aspx Drew Timme- Not on All-Academic team https://wccsports.com/news/2023/2/26/athlete-awards-wcc-announces-2022-23-mens-basketball-all-academic-team.aspx Jalen Wilson- Did make it https://big12sports.com/news/2023/4/26/conference-2023-winter-academic-all-big-12-team-recognizes-481.aspx In Real life you don't need to be smart to be an All-American. So going off of IQ would not be "Realistic"

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