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#8709	12/23/2019 11:20:21 am	Jan 16th, 2010	Ignore
pschwartz Joined: 05/07/2019 Posts: 857 Richmond Spiders II.2	I am going to move a small discussion from here - http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/forum/0/5/980 One frustrating part of recruiting that does not mimic real life is the timing of when recruits commit. I know that some recruits want to commit early while others want to wait until the very end - that happens and is fine. However, when a recruit only has low interest (or in some cases interest below 'low') they should not be committing early in the season, regardless of their desire to commit early. As an example - http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/prospect/63617 This was one of my backup options that did not have any other schools listed with any interest. He committed on update #15. He wasn't interested in any school at that time so why is he committing? On the flip side - http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/prospect/60138. I have had him on 'Very High' interest since the beginning of the season. A couple other teams are on low. It makes no sense that he has not committed yet. I propose these changes (in order of importance): 1. If a recruit only has 'Low' interest or below they will not commit to a school until the last 10 recruiting updates. I think this makes sense because why would a player choose to go to a school he is not that interested in attending? They would wait until the end of the recruiting season to see if they get better offers (i.e. more interest) 2. If there is a sizable gap from the highest interest school to the 2nd highest that recruit should commit in the near term (within 7 days). What that gap is I don't know, but maybe top school is on 'High' and 2nd school is on 'Low'. 3. Maybe factor in new contacts coming in. If a recruit is on medium and hasn't had any other contacts from other schools in a week (so almost a month in-game) then they commit. These changes will allow users to better plan their recruiting strategy and allow for better backup options. If I lose out on a target I can go after one of my 'low' targets. Right now that is a risk because that 'low' target might decide to commit early and take up a scholarship. Obviously, I don't how how the sausage is made in regards to when recruits make their commitment decisions so these might not be doable, but I think we could probably figure something out.
#8727	12/25/2019 1:56:01 pm	Jan 23rd, 2010	Ignore
El jefe Joined: 07/06/2018 Posts: 646 Temple Owls I.1	Very much agree with this
#8732	12/26/2019 10:35:24 am	Jan 28th, 2010	Ignore
Gophy2611 Joined: 12/26/2018 Posts: 34 Lehigh Mountain Hawks IV.7	pschwartz I 100% agree. I have a player who has been on some level of high all season. No one else has interest over low and it doesn't appear there are even new teams targeting him this season. He should have committed to me weeks ago. And now after the last 2-3 seasons of recruiting I'm worried some other team will have missed out on all their guys and somehow swoop in and beat me out ( I have no idea how they'd have enough contacts to do that but that's beside the point).
#9046	01/24/2020 10:42:37 am	Oct 23rd, 2010	Ignore
pschwartz Joined: 05/07/2019 Posts: 857 Richmond Spiders II.2	Ok, I have some examples that are kind of ridiculous: http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/prospect/66480 This player committed to Whitman College earlier today despite having no interest in any schools. http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/prospect/68896 This player committed to Fairleigh Dickinson earlier today despite not having any interest in attending there. He did have low interest in another school but they didn't offer a scholarship. I get that some players want to commit early but this is nuts. No one would commit to a school that they have no interest in. Of the 21 players that committed today 9 of them only had Low interest or below in schools. Why are they committing? The second guy I listed above is actually not that bad of a player (102 SI, 11 POT,) and could get on a better team by just waiting rather than committing to a team he has no interest in. Updated Saturday, January 25 2020 @ 6:16:31 am PST
#9055	01/25/2020 12:42:11 am	Oct 23rd, 2010	Ignore
basoy6658 Joined: 12/23/2019 Posts: 180 Azusa Pacific Cougars IV.3	+1
#9057	01/25/2020 10:44:23 am	Oct 27th, 2010	Ignore
ESac Joined: 07/28/2018 Posts: 38 Inactive	Last season, I saw Jack Burke and was thinking of trying to recruit him. I kept him in my recruiting tab. He had no one recruiting him. The day before I was about to add points to him, he commits to Coe. I knew for a fact he had no interest in any school. Long story short: +1.
#9069	01/26/2020 2:15:51 pm	Oct 30th, 2010
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2387 Hardwood Administrator	I keep tweaking the recruiting process to make things more realistic...it is a bit like turning a big ship though and takes time. Please keep in mind, unseen interest (something below low) doesn't necessarily mean no interest. And some players, in RL, commit because they only get one D1 offer and they jump on it. The intention is to have higher rate players commit early in general -- but not completely. Also, there are some mechanisms for higher interest levels to commit earlier. Not every prospect will behave the same though...and recruiting is not intended to be easy and entirely deterministic. Steve
#9072	01/27/2020 2:17:31 am	Oct 30th, 2010	Ignore
Ichabod Joined: 07/03/2018 Posts: 39 Inactive	I keep tweaking the recruiting process to make things more realistic... The last two season's Div-I National Champions closed out their season with unfilled scholarships remaining. That's about as unrealistic as you can get in recruiting cycles. A will to resolve recruiting might rectify, but tweaks don't hold the solution.
#9076	01/27/2020 10:17:03 am	Nov 3rd, 2010	Ignore
hockeytrb99 Joined: 02/04/2018 Posts: 123 Pittsburgh Panthers V.11	I think most D1 schools in real life don't fill all all their scholarship slots each year.
#9077	01/27/2020 10:55:22 am	Nov 3rd, 2010	Ignore
basoy6658 Joined: 12/23/2019 Posts: 180 Azusa Pacific Cougars IV.3	Not filling those scholarships left is a tactic to control the batch that would graduate and it doesn't mean its unrealistic.
#9078	01/27/2020 12:13:09 pm	Nov 3rd, 2010	Ignore
pschwartz Joined: 05/07/2019 Posts: 857 Richmond Spiders II.2	I also know some teams in HW do this as a strategy to pool their contact points into the top players. They might only fill 10 of their scholarships that way. I am not sure if that happened with the last two winners but it is possible. Please keep in mind, unseen interest (something below low) doesn't necessarily mean no interest. Yes, because you can’t offer a scholarship without putting in a contact so there will be some level of interest. However, while ‘None’ doesn’t literally mean no interest - to me it means the interest level is insignificant. And some players, in RL, commit because they only get one D1 offer and they jump on it. Yes, but then their interest wouldn’t be ‘None’. It seems to me they are very interested if they did that. Not to mention these IRL players have a better sense of the recruiting landscape and probably realize this is will be their only offer. I keep tweaking the recruiting process to make things more realistic...it is a bit like turning a big ship though and takes time. If tweaking this would fix it then let’s do that. While it worked out, last year was a little frustrating for me. I had 4 recruits on very high interest (all 3 stars) and none of them committed until halfway through the season or later. While waiting I was watching most of my back-up options commit despite only having interest at low or none. Anything that can be done to prevent the above scenario from happening will be an improvement.
#9140	02/02/2020 1:25:58 pm	Nov 25th, 2010
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2387 Hardwood Administrator	I keep adding new twists & prospect behavior to the game -- sometimes it takes a few seasons for people to recognize the changing behavior and not every recruit behaves in the same manner. Interest level is now a factors in the timing of some prospects now. Steve
#9146	02/03/2020 10:47:46 am	Nov 27th, 2010	Ignore
pschwartz Joined: 05/07/2019 Posts: 857 Richmond Spiders II.2	Thanks for putting something in place.
#18121	02/18/2022 2:34:27 pm	Jan 27th, 2024	Ignore
El jefe Joined: 07/06/2018 Posts: 646 Temple Owls I.1	Steve, Want to formally bring up something we were discussing in Discord today. Seems to be some interest to have a higher proportion of recruits commit earlier when a team is on "High interest" and there is no other team with at least "Low interest". Flexibility in whether "High interest" means Very High or just High. Driver behind this is there are some frustrations when these guys sit out in the recruiting pool for so long - (1) this leaves you susceptible to someone swooping in last minute, (2) currently handcuffs you a bit in recruiting other players/future classes due to the necessity to save points in case someone swoops in, and (3) isn't that realistic since if a player has one scholarship offer and is REALLY interested, they probably take it vs sitting on it for half the season. Doesn't need to apply in every circumstance, but a higher proportion would be more realistic/beneficial.
#18444	04/29/2022 5:37:48 am	Mar 8th, 2025	Ignore
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 200 DePaul Blue Demons IV.5	+1 for el jefe
#20919	12/19/2023 8:34:08 am	Jan 12th, 2036	Ignore
El jefe Joined: 07/06/2018 Posts: 646 Temple Owls I.1	Coming back to a few things here. - Still seeing a lot of guys sitting on only one "High" offer for quite a long time - Feel like I'm actually seeing fewer comments about a player wanting to commit early, wanting to take his time to make a decision. I would prefer we have a better indication for EVERY player on when they plan to commit. So maybe three options for the comment - (1) wants to commit early, (2) wants to take his time making a decision, and something like (3) unsure when he wants to commit. If someone has a better idea on #3, I'm all for it. The lack of visibility right now is challenging. Also, for guys who may be academically ineligible, maybe we can add something about when the final determination will be made "will get his grades mid-season", "will have to go to summer school" (which would mean towards the end of the season), things like that. Updated Tuesday, December 19 2023 @ 8:37:46 am PST
#20950	12/25/2023 11:32:40 pm	Feb 7th, 2036	Ignore
Phil_McGroin Joined: 03/06/2023 Posts: 9 Minot State Beavers VI.1	Not sure if this could be coded in or not. But have pipeline areas kind of outside of the region. Like you land a few recruits in Georgia or California, have it a little easier to draw interest from players around those areas as long as they have players on the roster from there. Also if the coach is from a certain area, maybe make it easier to recruit cause they in theory know the area better.
#21112	02/18/2024 1:20:39 am	Feb 5th, 2037	Ignore
cwb Joined: 02/08/2019 Posts: 67 Prairie View A&M Panthers II.1	Pipelines have been suggested before. See here: http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/forum/1/5/2098 Thanks for the changes/updates, Steve. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I was initially against it, as it seems it might give the big schools an advantage… that they can go for those competitive 5*s, and then if they strike out, then toward a lower rated recruit who a small school had been pursuing. But hopefully this helps those small schools land recruits quicker, to create some balance. Updated Sunday, February 18 2024 @ 1:22:19 am PST
#21113	02/21/2024 12:50:36 am	Feb 14th, 2037	Ignore
electriceel883 Joined: 06/07/2021 Posts: 128 Wisconsin Badgers III.2	Ive been seeing more players these past few seasons commit in the early commit period (which I view roughly as #5-#15) without a "eager to commit early" comment. Perhaps it is driven by the high interest thing. Or perhaps a low interest thing if someone is not recruited at all for 3 seasons, then someone does. Perhaps its just me but seems like I have seen less players with "Wants to commit #X" as well. Updated Wednesday, February 21 2024 @ 12:53:19 am PST

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