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#20247	06/17/2023 12:06:41 pm	Nov 20th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	My last post. is there any connection between the skills of the players,tactics and the result or just a random?! Why player with IS-16 makes 12-14 againt me,and my man with OS-15 ,makes 1-8?! And what about 0 FT in a half!!!and 3 FT for a game. It's real basketball?! or is it another upset of my team?looking at the latest matches they only know how to do it

#20248	06/17/2023 1:13:00 pm	Nov 20th, 2032
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 438 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	A few things and I'm probably going to say obvious things too. Don't discount the randomness of each individual play and even the game result as a whole. Shots that are closer to the basket (like those that would use IS) are easier to make than shots that are further away from the basket (like shots that would use OS). In addition, there are other ratings that are taken into account for each individual play/shot, such as height, weight, IQ, Strength, Speed, Handling, as well as the opposing defender's defense, height, weight, IQ, speed, wingspan, strength, etc. So don't just look at one rating for comparison. Looking at your game against Texas Tech, Truitt killed you because your interior defenders (your big men, Demir and Mehmedovic) are bad defenders and Truitt is quite good - tall, fast for a big, smart, strong, can jump high, and as you mentioned, quite proficient at scoring inside. And while your guys are faster and can jump even higher, they are not as heavy, not as skilled, and not as strong. Your 15 OS player, Wills, struggled to shoot it looks like because although Texas Tech's PG is not a strong defender in terms of skill and speed, he is tall and long. I bet Wills wouldn't shot that poorly every game against Texas Tech and Pruett, but this is one game, a very small sample, and funky things happen. And sorry, to say, but these were not "upsets." You were playing teams that were better than yours. Updated Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 1:16:11 pm PDT

#20249	06/18/2023 1:19:52 am	Nov 20th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	when I lost to a weaker team it was upset, when i lost to stronger team it's normal)) and for some reason you can’t rate one game, strange.... but here again the question is not that I lost, this is logical, but at 0 FT at the half and 3 FT at the game.also a strong superiority in rebounds, but in terms of skills we are not much inferior. this season I played with all tactics at different rates from -5 to +5 and did not notice a big difference as a result,the number of throws was plus minus the same,and it's strange

#20250	06/18/2023 9:10:13 am	Nov 20th, 2032
purple3594 Joined: 03/28/2020 Posts: 20 Ripon Red Hawks II.2	Friend, in each of your losses your team had a lower weighted skill index. Re: free throws, 44% of your shots were 3pa. You had 14 PITP; average shot made was 13.1. You put virtually no pressure on the interior defense. Compare your shot chart with TT. Does the free throw disparity surprise you?

#20253	06/18/2023 11:04:26 am	Nov 25th, 2032
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 438 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	Yeah, agreed with what Ripon said. Your team wasn't aggressive in attacking the basket. Sometimes that just happens. And if I remember correctly, you like to have your team on outside focus, so that may contribute too. In terms of rebounding, your bigs are somewhat small (your 6'9" guy is fine though), weak, and not that skilled (8 is not very good in rebounding) compared to their opposition. As I said before, you can't just take one rating (in this case, the rebounding rating) and compare them. Take other things into account. Again, I would suggest not taking away much from one game. Same with the tactical changes - let them sit for several games and then look things over.

#20255	06/18/2023 2:18:21 pm	Nov 25th, 2032
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2440 Hardwood Administrator	Two things to consider... 1. Check out the shot chart for those players. Are they getting good shots or bad shots. A player can shoot a really high percentage if he's right under the basket. Deep 3-ptrs, not so much. 2. Also nothing is based on one skill. Shooting at a high percentage requires the shooting skill, but also the ability to get into a good position, a good pass from the PG or other player, a weak defender, height/speed advantage, sufficient energy & lack of fatigue etc. Steve

#20257	06/19/2023 7:16:31 am	Nov 25th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	2purple3594,Do you think you can only foul on close shots?I hope you watched real basketball games,there are fouls away from the ball. At fist half we made 26 shots and the opponent did not make a single foul on them.Texas made 21 shots and 18FT. so all my shots were open? then why is the percentage of hitting worse? now let's see the defense skills,the difference is not that big 1-3 point.the most interesting thing is that my team is faster.but for the first half we made 13 fouls against 2 For the all game we made 30 2pts and Texas 36, but we go to FT line only 2 times and Texas at least 15 times 2gards710 1st half i play Emphasis- I Mark Truitt have rebound -8 like Demir and take 11 boards,of course, STR has its effect, but 8 is not so bad. 2admin what about FT? 3 against 29 it's normal?! Updated Monday, June 19 2023 @ 7:19:26 am PDT

#20258	06/19/2023 7:19:57 am	Nov 25th, 2032
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 438 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	Guess you figured it out. The game specifically hates you.

#20259	06/19/2023 9:08:55 am	Nov 25th, 2032
purple3594 Joined: 03/28/2020 Posts: 20 Ripon Red Hawks II.2	Do you think you can only foul on close shots?I hope you watched real basketball games,there are fouls away from the ball. Yes, I do think there is inverse correlation between average shot distance and free throw rate. I'm surprised this is in dispute. Even if you do not believe this to be true in real life, I'd urge you to keep this in mind for the sake of this game.

#20261	06/19/2023 8:34:08 pm	Nov 27th, 2032
g10rsh Joined: 02/04/2018 Posts: 95 Columbia Lions III.2	The Atlanta Hawks and the Memphis Grizzlies are tied for the fewest free-throw attempts in a game, with 1 attempt. Page with info on low Free Throw Games in the hawks game they had 1 ft and their opponent had thirteen. in the grizzlies game they had 1 and their opponent had 15. in the NBA finals this year the miami heat had 2 free throws against the nuggets who had 20 Reality must be broken. Or maybe weird things can happen in a single game Updated Monday, June 19 2023 @ 8:38:20 pm PDT

#20263	06/20/2023 3:20:33 pm	Dec 2nd, 2032
BMacG Joined: 03/19/2023 Posts: 19 Rochester Institute of Technology Tigers V.7	I can understand why it's frustrating, but the way Hardwood considers multiple factors for every individual shot/play plus the existence of what could be called "Old School RNG" is actually pretty good. HS and college sports are in part so popular because they are so chaotic. Shooters in basketball, pitchers/hitters in baseball, sprinters in track and field, wideouts in football, all of them will usually perform as you expect, but are also notorious positions for having absolute brain farts or being very "boom or bust" at non-professional levels. The better the roster, the less susceptible your team will theoretically be to repeated bad games, but it can still happen. If you flip a coin ten times and get tails ten times, that just means you were unlucky/lucky, it doesn't change the 50% chance of the coin flip. As an example, my bad PG went 6-8 FG/4-5 3PT for 16 points and 3 turnovers last game. Same individual positioning, shooting setting, and same team tactics overall for todays game, against a team that is actually much worse than the one he got 16 against? 0-8FG, 0-7 3PT, 0 points and 6 turnovers. Heck, my luck has been so bad already I have functionally packed it in for the season, but I am not really seeing anything I would define as a "flaw" in the simulations of the games. That luck has also been compounded by the fact looking at some of my games, my strategy was a little off what it should have been, and that can come down to luck too - if you play a team that usually only shoots 8 3s a game and decide to pack the paint with lots of zone against them and they decide to switch it up and shoot 25 3s that game, you are probably gonna have a rough time. On the same topic, a team in my conference went 10-0 in non-conf and based on SI seemed poised to sweep our very weak conference (avg Weighted SI probably like 120) - instead after going 10-0, they have now gone 1-2 in-conference, against teams that are likely worse than they faced in non-conf games. Updated Wednesday, June 21 2023 @ 6:47:54 am PDT

#20273	06/22/2023 9:06:09 am	Dec 4th, 2032
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2440 Hardwood Administrator	What exactly is "Old School RNG"? Steve

#20274	06/22/2023 9:32:29 am	Dec 4th, 2032
sparky Joined: 03/25/2021 Posts: 31 Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts Trailblazers IV.6	"What exactly is "Old School RNG"?" A pair of dice

#20279	06/22/2023 11:58:53 am	Dec 9th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	it's happend again http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/game/773788 Steve,man,is this really how it's meant to be? first I beat a strong opponent, break the losing streak, and the next day playing against the bot I beat last season and using that winning tactic, I lose. and this is happening because the players are not doing what I set them. Wills with default Green Light makes 19!!! attempts,why?!! Demir(25min) with Gren Light + makes only 7,last game with default Green light makes 6 and Cranford(PF)(15 min) only 2!!!!but last game(20min) he makes 9 Helm makes 5,last game 7 and the most interesting: Earley IS-4, 5 from 7 Gordon IS-3, 6 from 8 Jorgensen IS-3, 2 from 2 Wills OS-15, 2 from 9 does the bot change tactics every game and adapt to each opponent?or just another bad day for my team and Lucky for bot? what's the point in Game Management setting if the players don't follow them?! Next game Wills makes 20+ attemps or 3-8 like in first 3 games?

#20281	06/22/2023 2:34:44 pm	Dec 9th, 2032
Blackbeard Joined: 03/17/2019 Posts: 558 St. Johns Red Storm V.3	Mr3pts do you look at the box scores after the games? If you do, what does it tell you about your team? I took a quick look at your last 5 results and my thoughts are below. Longwood Lancers 62 112.6 Wabash Little Giants 90 108.9 This team was better than your team based on SI but you won when you should probably have lost. Wabash Little Giants 68 109.8 Tarleton State Texans 79 138.0 This team should have killed your team because it has a 20 point SI advantage over you and you are lucky you only lost by 9 points! SI represents how good a player and team is and you are only presenting 109 team SI. That is very low... North Central College Cardinals 87 137.8 Wabash Little Giants 71 114.4 Again, another 20 point SI disadvantage and the Hard Wood gods were kind to your team because based on SI the other team is far superior to your team. You only lost by 16 points when you should have lost by 30 or more! Wooster Fighting Scots 91 141.2 Wabash Little Giants 94 114.5 How in the world did you ever manage to beat this team is beyond me because it has a team SI advantage of 27 points over your team. That team should have beat you by 50 points or more but yet again, the AI was kind to you. Perhaps the Wooster team should be complaining about the games AI on the forum after this loss? Southern Arkansas Muleriders 86 113.0 Wabash Little Giants 74 113.7 Based solely on team SI maybe you should have won this game but I honestly do not see how you could have won because 2 factors stick out like a sore thumb. You are essentially running a 7 man substitution rotation and that is causing your starting 5 to become quite fatigued. I know you really don't want to hear it but I will give you some cold hard truth and you can think about it. Your team is not very good. It has virtually no height and the players are not all that skilled for the positions they are playing other than the PG. Your best player is the PG and he has 15 pass, 13 IQ, 13 speed and an impressive 16 perimeter defense. However, he has no one to pass to that is capable of scoring. He just can not carry the entire team. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just wanted to point out the fact that your team is not good while the other teams are better. My suggestion is to start recruiting and stop complaining on the forum. I fully understand that you are new to the game and the fact that the game is not easy to pick up does cause frustration. There is nothing wrong with the games AI because Steve has everything dialed in and the results of the games are very detailed and it mimics real life college BB pretty well. I will offer this up to you. I'm by no means an expert on this game but I think I know the basics pretty well and i will help you along if you want. Just ask. I'm also sure that others will offer to help as well because the HW community is quite friendly and all you have to do is ask. I hope I didn't insult you because that was not my intention. Good luck.

#20282	06/22/2023 5:19:05 pm	Dec 9th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Blackbeard man, i played many years(from 2004) in soccer manager with a more complex generator,I am in no way trying to offend Steve or belittle his work. I want to say that I understand tactical managers and I know math, because I am an engineer. You are referring to SI but don't talk about skills and tactics. I'm doing an analysis of each match, analyzing boxscore and shoot chart, compare shots percentage and the skills of the players(attacker\defender). I will say even more, I watch Game Action, although here the result is generated first, then the report, but it still gives some understanding of the actions of the players on one or another tactic. and most importantly, a tactical manager is still primarily about tactics, i.e. there is always a counter tactic.it means that if someone constantly plays with one tactic, you can see it and choose a counter tactic, but this will not always give the desired result, since there may not be enough skills here, but this is with a big difference in skills. if you play on a winning tactic and your skills are lower by 1-3 point you should not lose.order beats class. talking about fatigue:You inattentively watched the box score, the fatigue of my players is generally less than the opponent or same. Looks close boxscore in game with Arkansas and You see that i got advantage in height on most position. And I don't post on every loss plus questions were not in lose before the last game with Arkansas. I soberly assess the strength of my team, yes, it is not the strongest, it has problem areas, but it also has strengths,and a tactical manager is to be able to use their strengths by blocking their weaknesses. but if pure skills dominate,this is a completely different question,but according to Steve's previous post, this is still not the case, so your arguments are still not correct on 100% I just want to understand the logic of the generator and I want to hear the creator's answer. the community here is good and many have helped me already

#20283	06/22/2023 6:16:04 pm	Dec 9th, 2032
mavstar21 Joined: 08/14/2019 Posts: 88 Wisconsin-Superior Yellow Jackets IV.8	What exactly is "Old School RNG"? These fellahs all had that Old school RNG Marvin Gay Sam Cook Al Green

#20284	06/22/2023 7:56:31 pm	Dec 9th, 2032
EmeraldSeasSunshine Joined: 02/03/2023 Posts: 61 Hawaii Rainbow Warriors VI.4	OMG, Marvin Gay do got that Old School RNG. 43% sniper. Sadly, his range has fallen off over the years... Updated Thursday, June 22 2023 @ 7:58:32 pm PDT

#20285	06/23/2023 1:20:13 pm	Dec 11th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/game/773804 a strange victory, but a small number of players in the opponent's rotation I think influenced the outcome. but the oddity lies in the fact, thanks to which players earned points. Wills set Green Light "-" but he makes 10 attempts and goes 4 from 5 3pts against strong perimeter defenders,they better than Arkansas defenders,but there he did 2 from 9.Why does he drop a lot again if I set a different task? Reynoso set Green Light "x" but he makes 4 attemts and goes 3 from 4 3pts in same situation like Wills. Why did he throw at all if I forbade?! Helm dont make a bucket against weak per.defenders,ok bad night. But then I either had to lose, or Reynoso's throws and part of Wills had to be done by Helm or Grant,because i set them Green Light "+" In the game with Arkansas, Wills made 19 shots with a default set Green Light, and Helm and Grant today both made 17 with a set Green Light "+",but even today he threw more than Grant and Helm separately, although he had a setup "-" It's strange for me.

#20286	06/23/2023 1:30:50 pm	Dec 11th, 2032
purple3594 Joined: 03/28/2020 Posts: 20 Ripon Red Hawks II.2	A fool's errand, but I'll bite. the next day playing against the bot I beat last season and using that winning tactic, I lose. Why are you comparing last year's results with this year's results? Why would you assume that your tactics are "winning" this year? Actually, why would you assume that your tactics are "winning" at all? For someone with such a holistic and deep take on the game, why are you evaluating these players' performances on a singular skill. Steve literally told you not to do this earlier in this thread. Earley IS-4, 5 from 7 Earley: 8 OS, 15 FIN. IS =/= every shot inside the arc. He made a 13, 15, 18 footer. He scored on 2 drives. Gordon IS-3, 6 from 8 Gordon: 10 OS IS =/= every shot inside the arc. Gordon only scored 1 shot from the low post. Jorgensen IS-3, 2 from 2 Jorgensen: 11 OS IS =/= every shot inside the arc. He made 2 19 footers. Wills OS-15, 2 from 9 Wills: 8 RNG Range (Rng): ability to make shots from long distances with a high shooting percentage. Not ideal for an 8 RNG to be jacking multiple 26 footers. I just want to understand the logic of the generator Don't we all. Everything matters, everything's connected. Figure it out with the rest of us. Updated Friday, June 23 2023 @ 1:57:08 pm PDT

#20287	06/23/2023 3:31:05 pm	Dec 11th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	purple3594 because generator still the same like seson before.Bot play same tactic. About some shots i agree,it's my bad,mid range it's OS not IS. Wills 15-8 is better than Jorgensen 11-6, but last makes 3-6 21-22feeters and Wills 2-6. Gordon made 2 shot under the rim. I analyze what is available, it is clear that there are other factors, but there must still be a system with a correlation, and not every time randomly, then it turns out there is no point in choosing recruit by skills, because a bad night can happen at any time and will continue indefinitely. and it doesn’t matter what tactics you put in and what settings you give to the game. as it turned out, the player can still throw if you don’t even want to and made the appropriate setting. so I will perceive everything as a game of rock-paper-scissors, I will just put up anything and hope for luck)) thanks for your post it was not a fool's errand,it fixed my bugs.in the next game i will try to get rid of unnecessary shots, and if not, then rock-paper-scissors))

#20288	06/23/2023 5:17:37 pm	Dec 11th, 2032
Blackbeard Joined: 03/17/2019 Posts: 558 St. Johns Red Storm V.3	@ purple3594 you are fighting a losing battle trying to reason with this guy because he obviously knows it all. He automatically dismisses everything that is said including what the designer and developer of this game told him. He is some kind of an engineer after all so that means that his word on everything is correct and he will not listen to what anyone else says. Period. I wasn't even going to bother answering this guy any more because whats the use, he is a lost cause and he seems to get a kick out of writing stupid stuff on the forum. While myself and others always try to help everyone. This is my last reply to any of the posts this person makes but I will say this in closing. I'm a former fuel cell engineer that worked for UTC Power before it went belly up and was sold out to a Korean firm that took the technology back to Korea, so I do know a little bit about programming myself and I know a lot about math and computers as well. The other people that have answered your posts know as much if not more than I do about this game and you constantly disagree with them while essentially calling them liars that know nothing at all about the game they have played a lot longer than you have. So I ask you, what kind of train do you fly Mr. Engineer? Let us know because then we all can be sure to not go any where near what ever it is you have engineered. I'll say this final thing about your team. Starter teams in this game suck in the beginning because the AL works that way and your team is very sucky. Plus new managers suck and don't know how to immediately manage a team in HW. It takes a long time to learn how to manage in HW. Plus other people aren't on the forum busting the game while complaining about how poorly developed it is. Maybe you should find something easier to play? I will NOT be answering any more of your questions or offering help or replying to anything you say so don't waste your time replying to this. And I suggest that others do the same because you will get nothing but grief from this guy, because thats the way he comes off like. Cheers and good luck. The end..........

#20289	06/23/2023 8:40:40 pm	Dec 11th, 2032
bengalman501 Joined: 12/05/2021 Posts: 19 Cal Poly Pomona Broncos II.1	Mr3pts, I think the only thing I believe that I don't think anyone has said is that you can't boil everything down to numbers. I believe that some of these players have personalities, yeah they are numbers on a screen and according to everything Steve has said to my knowledge doesn't back that claim up. But as your guys play more and more you might see what I see. While I haven't seen as much of the other guys that are in this game and have commented here, but I've seen enough to believe. You can tell a player "-" and he'll average 5 ppg but for some reason drop 20 points one time because he's tired of passing every game. Or I had this guy Nick Richter 33% from 3 his senior year and 5 stamina. Yet had like 3 or 4 game winners his senior year after playing 30 minutes, according to the game he should be dog-tired every time but when we needed that shot he went out and took care of it. Example- 0:02 - Cal Poly Pomona: Richter brings up the ball against a zone defense. The shot clock winding down. Richter shoots from well beyond the arc. The shot goes in! Cal Poly Pomona 82 - 80. 0:00 - Game Event: Time expires! This was a OT Buzzer Beater to send the team to the D2 Sweet Sixteen By numbers he was better than his matchup on the shot, but he was also on Heavy fatigue while shooting 2-9 on the 3's before this one and my PG was a better 3 point shooter and has having a better game. Richter didn't care because he had some hidden trait, which is not real according to Steve, that made it so he wanted that final shot at the end of the game and he had a clutch gene, again not real according to Steve, that forced that ball in. I'm trying to say that every player is different and special. Some play to their exact SI and some play below and above it. This might be wild to hear but its almost like real life sports. Why did Caleb Martin average only 7.4 in the NBA Finals when the series prior he averaged 19.3. Just like in real life the players in this game are inconsistent or don't listen to what you say in game management 100% of the time. Your players aren't going to sit behind the 3 point line all game and only take 3's because you told them "O" in management and put the Tactics to "O" because 1. Thats not how basketball works, a gameplan evolves in every passing second. and 2. Your players aren't robots they might want to try and dunk or hit a mid range for some reason or another. What I said might be crazy rambling because you make no sense. You refuse to listen to everything said from the top players. Everything isn't rock-paper-scissors sometimes its luck or will. Also when you have a really bad piece of paper a good rock will win. Play the game for a few seasons before trying to preach you are the mathematical hardwood Phil Jackson and no one cares the "soccer manager with a more complex generator" because this one is great because it can be simple when you're new and complex enough for most people when you look at height, weight, wingspan, vertical, and the skills of your player then the same for the opposite player and then the defensive scheme they run. Finally you might be a worst recruiter I have ever seen on this game, the 36 si INTL guy will never touch court, I wouldn't want being the water boy. You should be asking for help on your recruiting because clearly don't understand the math behind that Mr. Engineer, you got like a 50/50 for Fox but thats it for the FR because the other guys will have local teams come in and grab them for a fraction of the price.

#20290	06/24/2023 2:33:20 am	Dec 11th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Blackbeard how quickly you became toxic, but I will not sink to your level and do the same, I will only say one thing, I did not ask you initially, I was interested in the answer of the site creator. This is a bug branch, i.e. the exact answer can only be given by the creator, and not by the player, even if he plays for at least a thousand years. I wish you good luck and all the best!

#20291	06/24/2023 5:14:17 am	Dec 11th, 2032
plokmijn Joined: 03/19/2020 Posts: 90 Alabama Crimson Tide II.2	Given that your problem is a lack of understanding of how the game works and not a bug with the game itself, I’d say it’s reasonable to have other users offer you insight as to why your team isn’t performing how you’d expect. The users responding to you have a lot more experience and success playing this game than your team currently has, so I’d recommend re-reading their comments with a less dismissive attitude and try to learn more about the game. Your team is ranked 737/1008 for the game and 14/16 for your conference in TPI this season. A quick glance at your roster shows that your team also lacks size, which is very important in HW. Your team is going to lose a lot of games, so it’ll be important not to worry about your record and focus more on tracking how your team does in statistics you find significant over 5-10 game samples based on your tactical adjustments. Player ratings only influence the probability of game events occurring, which means there’s a lot of variance, especially when multiple ratings are considered for each event. Even if you do everything right, there’s still an element of luck involved in getting desired results. Things tend to balance out over the course of more games. Lastly, don’t forget that the other teams are making adjustments and trying to win too, even the bot teams. You’ll need to build a stronger roster in the coming seasons if you want to fight for promotion. If you ever are looking for advice, whether it’s recruiting or lineups or tactics, feel free to message me and we can try to get Wabash on the right track.

#20292	06/24/2023 5:24:07 am	Dec 11th, 2032
Stromstar Joined: 09/05/2022 Posts: 26 Xavier Musketeers II.2	Not a bug. User error. Why is the conversation still going? 🔒

#20295	06/24/2023 7:49:22 am	Dec 11th, 2032
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 438 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	Wow, this got out of hand a bit huh. Who thought I'd look like the nice one a few days later. Since I'm not the creator and his answer is the only one you'll accept, ignore this at your own will. I shouldn't have even wasted my time doing this lol I think this paragraph by bengalman was particularly prescient: "Your players aren't going to sit behind the 3 point line all game and only take 3's because you told them "O" in management and put the Tactics to "O" because 1. Thats not how basketball works, a gameplan evolves in every passing second. and 2. Your players aren't robots they might want to try and dunk or hit a mid range for some reason or another." While I'm not sure if players have "clutch" ratings or whatever, they do seem to have "personality" if you will. Some players are just ballhogs, others are more passive. Additionally, I think a number of us have experienced a sort of lag effect with the game management settings taking effect - ie it may take a few games for the adjustments to take effect if the settings are completely new to the player or if the player is young. Think of it like a "familiarity" thing. Players (heck, people in general) often struggle and stick to old habits when put in a new environment, given new tasks, etc. Think about what it was like when you started a new job, or if your boss told you to do one thing and then do the opposite the next day. So constantly switching it around isn't going to do anything. But again, this is just anecdotal by a number of us really. Again, evaluating players' performances or tendencies within individual games, especially against different opponents (as you did with your Wills to Jorgensen comparison) is foolish. There are so many other factors you ignore - like the skill of the opposing defender, the changes to tactics, type of defense, coaches and their skills, etc. And about the Demir vs Truitt bit from before - 8 in any skill is ok especially in LL5, not terrible. But when you compared Demir to Truitt, you said "of course, STR has its effect" but you ignored that Truitt's strength is nearly TRIPLE that of Demir's. That's a BIG difference. There is definitely a correlation between the ratings and performance on individual plays and the overall game result. Better teams will usually win, but not always. And "better team" doesn't just mean the TPI or WSI. Those are helpful, but not the entire answer. Tactics can make up some difference (or extend it) and even overcome deficits. But to think it will always be in your favor or that tactics rule all is a mistake. I won't say tactics don't matter - many good managers adjust every game, others set it and forget it. I'm one who plans for each game, but I rarely make drastic changes, and when I do, I have good reason to based on the sample of several games. It also helps that my team is decent. As others have pointed out, your team is not what many would consider good for a variety of reasons. That's how it goes when you take over a team from the computer and you're just starting out. Embrace it and definitely try some things out to figure out what works for you. It's good that you're trying to learn the game to get better at it. We can all appreciate that. But try to be more open-minded too.

#20296	06/24/2023 7:54:41 am	Dec 11th, 2032
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 438 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	also, your recruiting is a big yikes

#20297	06/24/2023 9:56:25 am	Dec 16th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	plokmijn in the game manual, I did not see a word that height is the most important parameter in the game. Yes, this is logical for basketball, but if we talk about real basketball, then there are enough examples of good undersize players. according to my observations, power is more important, somehow it turned out to take 3rd place last season with the 6-6 center,which became All-Conference center. Do You know for sure that the bot is changing tactics? I already wrote,I adequately evaluate my roster and the roster of opponents. For me, promoted to the 2nd division was a surprise. Plus, it’s hard to recruit very strong players for a newbie.But most here write as if in their first season they recruited players with a SI not lower than 130. You think i have chance to rucruit this kid?and why D1 team recruit short player if height so important? I had losing streaks last season and everything was fine. I didn't have any questions about losing before game with Arkansas. The question was in the bad play of the defense (a very high shot %e of the opponent), in the absence of FT for the half,in 3pts attempts. I read what they write and accept the information, but it does not clearly answer my questions, except for how : beep happens, your team sucks. It doesn't help at all in understanding the game.

#20298	06/24/2023 10:23:55 am	Dec 16th, 2032
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	gards710 I realized that the throws divided into equal parts and set of Emphasis just shifts the percentage in a certain direction,but can't make it zero. if settings of Game Managment do not take effect immediately,that clears up a lot. your example from life just contradicts what you called "particularly prescient",because it just says that players cannot perform one task all the time,and at work you have to perform all the tasks, for this they pay money.another question is that not all jobs are multitasking and not all people can multitask. Speaking of real people, сoach Spo wanted Duncan Robinson to throw 3s and that's all he did offensively. im openminded I will go to the discussion or help section thanks to everyone who replied

#20299	06/24/2023 10:27:41 am	Dec 16th, 2032
purple3594 Joined: 03/28/2020 Posts: 20 Ripon Red Hawks II.2	the many stages of cope (mad) shh re: the contact graveyard. i want suffering (high) lighten up, be curious, have fun (direct) you'd enjoy a more formulaic game (where am i?) i was just annoyed this was filed in bugs (bengal) that went from cheerful to scorched earth quick (blackbeard/stromstar) i shouldn't be doing this, huh? (analogy) you're in a room of nerds who like to study, and you're on your knees begging the teacher for the answers

#20300	06/24/2023 11:02:49 am	Dec 16th, 2032
bengalman501 Joined: 12/05/2021 Posts: 19 Cal Poly Pomona Broncos II.1	Duncan NBA Finals 3 weeks ago Bubble Guess the 3 point line has shrunk.

#20448	08/25/2023 11:05:15 am	Jan 5th, 2034
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	SG-Vicente Gomez OS-9 SR-8 goes 4-6 3pts PG-Drew Brown OS-12 SR-9 goes 3-4 3pts 1-1 over Wills(ID-17) PG-Jason Wills OS-16 SR-9 goes 2-7 3pts 0-4 over Brown(ID -8) SG-Miles Helm OS-13 SR-11 goes 0-4 3pts SG-Tyreke Grant OS-10 SR-12 goes 1-10 3pts it's crazy thing!!!

#20457	08/27/2023 4:05:25 pm	Jan 12th, 2034
EmeraldSeasSunshine Joined: 02/03/2023 Posts: 61 Hawaii Rainbow Warriors VI.4	Hey Mr.3PTS, I understand your frustration. Had those games that I thought there was no way I was gonna lose, but somehow fell. I just want to add some points that may or may not have been mentioned before, that could key into why you might've been beaten so badly. Let's do this with level heads. I will focus mainly on Helm, because taking on every player's stats is just too much. 1. Home Court Matters - Just like in real Basketball, home court plays a role. Even some of the worst teams with the worst crowds, can sometimes manage huge upsets on their home floor. Elmhurst was the home team in this matchup, which gives them an edge. I vaguely remember Steve mentioning a slight boost for the Home Team somewhat recently. While it can be frustrating, the best you can do is highlight where it might have gone wrong and try to seal up those holes. I had a game earlier this year where I got killed by a team I thought I couldn't lose to, but did 72-61: http://onlinecollegebasketball.org/game/787487 (Shoutout to BASE!) However, it helped me realize that two of the guys I was starting weren't making the impact I wanted. So I adjusted, and have been much better since. 2. They Gameplanned for your Perimeter Attack - Based on the Box Score, it seems that the Bot (which can be very smart sometimes) was attempting to take away your three-point shooting since it is a solid offensive weapon. If this was the case, it makes sense for good shooters to struggle at times. Even if a guy is like a 15 OS with 15 SR, if the defense is playing a +2 extended defense, they could totally slow down that production. You're 38 Points in the Paint show that they might have been a little less focused on shutting down the interior. 3. The Taboo Stats - A players ability to shoot is not everything. Yes you're guy Miles Helm can shoot, but he also has a poor IQ and his opposition had better speed than him. This likely means that your guy was taking contested triples, rather than moving the ball for a better look. It goes without saying that a contested shot is more likely to rim out over an open one. Additionally, Helm's limited stamina may have a small impact on his underwhelming production from deep. That's unfortunately not something you can control, and based on his minutes, you have managed that well. I would also encourage you to check shot charts, which are not widely looked at, as they can show where your guy was shooting from. Maybe he was trying to be Steph Curry? 4. The Defense Played Matters - I would go back and see what the defense is on each shot for Helm, because Man to Man is generally better at shutting down perimeter shots (with the right defensive guys) and zone is better against the interior (generally). If they played zone, the big weak spot would be the corner three. He took two of those, but were they versus man or zone. If it was an extended man it makes sense he missed. If zone, it would be a bit more interesting. 5. Maybe the Engine is Flawed? - Now, I am not going to straight up say it is rigged or the numbers don't add up, but it is a video game and games can be flawed at times. Nothing is truly perfect. I personally feel it does an excellent job at capturing college basketball, but maybe sometimes the numbers just don't seem right. This can be a frustrating truth to swallow. I get it. But we gotta remind ourselves that this is a simulation of real life and not the real deal. We still have a life outside of the Hardwood Floors of the Online Basketball Court. 6. Motivation - If a team gets going, usually the opposing team falters and Elmhurst has some elite motivators on there staff. This can make it almost impossible to get going when they start firing on all cylinders. They are tougher because of that. Sometimes, I've beaten superior guys late in games because they've lost their confidence. That can sometimes skew the statistics. Maybe that's why Helm was struggling, perhaps he felt a bit defeated? 7. Elmhurst is just Good - Elmhurst is 19-6, 11-4 in Conference so they are no pushover. They have been able to hold their ground for much of the year and have a nice TPI for D-III. Sometimes a team may not look better on paper, but they have a combination that works and they play better than you would expect. I think the Jays are a well-rounded team. 8. TPI Advantage - They have a nearly 10 Point TPI advantage. That does not make them better TEAM by any means, but it means they have, as a whole, better PLAYERS. That means that from the get-go they have the skill advantage, and it comes down to coaching and the right combination to see if the other side can sneak it out. All in all, I think you were playing a good, well-coached team that was a longshot to overcome. Some of your guys had an unusual game, but that can happen sometimes. I really respect your dedication and your write-ups and would love to see you back on the news page talking about those Little Giants in the future. Please respond respectfully if you would like to further this discussion. I am not the guru of basketball, so I can definitely be wrong about a lot of things. Updated Sunday, August 27 2023 @ 4:14:15 pm PDT

#20459	08/30/2023 3:14:13 pm	Jan 21st, 2034
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	EmeraldSeasSunshinethis game is completely random, I watch all game statistics and shoot chart but I don't see any logic. knowledgeable people told me that my team lacked height, but I had enough games and the last of them with carleton, where the opponent lost in almost all positions in terms of height, but still won without problems. even in last game 6'1" opp.palyer shoot 70% against 6'6" and 6'9", andmy 6'9" cant hit against 6'1" i played +2-+3 def but they still shoot better coaches also practically do not affect the game, I played against the head coach with 0 and lost in full about IQ, speed and other skills, I think everything should work in both directions, and not just in one.when 6'1" centers win on the glass, it's not even funny anymore and I repeat, I'm not saying that I should win all the games, my point is that players with skills play like beep, while the opponent is much better with lower skills I won't be doing any more press releases as I will now perceive the game as pure random.Maybe someday it will be possible to understand the logic of the generator and then it will be possible to write again. For now, I can’t force the players to do what I need, Wills behaves differently in each game with the setting Green Light=X, although I want him to be a pure point guard , but he keeps throwing unnecessary shots at a terrible percentage so something like this))

#20460	08/30/2023 4:48:54 pm	Jan 21st, 2034
EmeraldSeasSunshine Joined: 02/03/2023 Posts: 61 Hawaii Rainbow Warriors VI.4	I'm sorry dude. I agree on those little Centers, those guys can be particularly frustrating. I really hope things turn around for you. As for the defensive strategy, I have gone +2 and +3 once or twice, usually it it's actually worse for me than +1, 0 or -1. It's interesting. My best guess is that maybe the defenders are too high and faster guys can get separation past them to hit shorter distanced threes, but you got speed so that wouldn't make sense. Weird. Playing a little more Man to Man can be very effective if you want to slow the outside shot though. I've been playing it all year and got my opponents shooting under 30% from three. Good luck the rest of the way! Updated Wednesday, August 30 2023 @ 4:54:49 pm PDT

#20461	08/30/2023 5:29:43 pm	Jan 21st, 2034
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	EmeraldSeasSunshine agree def +0 get more efficient than +2,+3 Will try 100% man-to-man Tnx man!U too!

#20476	09/07/2023 8:59:04 am	Feb 16th, 2034
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 452 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	Mr3: Candy striped pants are meta irl!

#20482	09/08/2023 10:45:38 am	Feb 23rd, 2034
Blackbeard Joined: 03/17/2019 Posts: 558 St. Johns Red Storm V.3	Ced. Thats the one thing I like about the team. lol (Just joking there, lol) In fact, thats the best team icon / picture in the entire game of HW. Updated Friday, September 8 2023 @ 10:46:54 am PDT

#20517	09/14/2023 2:33:08 pm	Mar 11th, 2034
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Love this game! Brooks 6'3" OS-12 SR-8 goes 9-11 3pts hits over Wills 6'2" PD-17 and Steel 6'6 1\2" PD-9 3 from 3 i play 50% M-t-M ED+2,+3 at season Oakland hits 31.8% and 28.6% 3pts in PO 64% conference stats-shot % against: Oakland - FG 46.8 3pts 36.5 Wabash - FG 45.2 3pts 34.1 Nice!

#20518	09/14/2023 4:52:48 pm	Mar 11th, 2034
gards710 Joined: 05/17/2020 Posts: 438 Dominican Univ. of California Penguins I.1	aww dang, guess who's back to debunk some more whining! That's right, me! I doubt that Brooks hit those shots against Wills, as Wills only allowed his opponents to shoot 1/7 when he is defending, as you can see in Wills's game log here. In addition, you didn't play much zone, you played more man to man and press (I'm not talking about in your settings, I'm talking about what actually ended up happening). And so it was likely Miles Helm and Tyreke Grant who ended up defending Brooks the most. Neither is what I would call a good defender. And yes, the math on their game logs for the opponents' shooting doesn't add up to Brooks's 9/12 - that is because they could have defended other players and/or open shots do not have a defender assigned. Brooks going off for that good of a game is pretty shocking though, I agree. Wouldn't have seen that coming. But anyone can get hot and in the zone. And while you did hold Oakland to 31% and 28% in previous matchups, they are a better 3 pt shooting team than that (at 34.9% for the conference season). 30 games is more than 2 games, and thus a more representative sample of their true ability. And has been stated to you many times before, teams can get hot, and teams can get cold. Now as for why they shot that well as a team? I can't explain that. You had a good season, clearly some games went your way too and I'm sure there's not always an explanation for why. The reverse will happen too, as you know.

#20523	09/15/2023 5:43:41 pm	Mar 12th, 2034
Sa6o Joined: 09/14/2020 Posts: 6 Inactive	EmeraldSeasSunshine, very good and helpful post with the 8 points you brought.

#21134	02/26/2024 11:25:22 am	Mar 7th, 2037
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Again this beep happend: Terry Taylor 6'3" Per.Def-7 Steel 6'6" OS-16 SR-14 0-3 3pts 0-1 inside the arc Helm 6'4" OS-17 SR-13 2-6 3pts (1st game 3-5) Crosby 6'8" Per.Def- 7 Darrin Keeton 6'1" OS-11 SR-14 2-3 3pts Steel 5-8 FT Keeton 7-8FT Heand coach Nelson Crawley Of-0!!!! Def-4 Nice lose to bot!

#21138	02/26/2024 3:58:37 pm	Mar 7th, 2037
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 452 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	So A, it was at their gym, and two, they had every ounce of the momentum in the box score.

#21148	03/02/2024 4:05:00 pm	Mar 19th, 2037
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2440 Hardwood Administrator	I'm a bit confused because Wabash is 36-8. You've got a good team, that's getting promoted and made the tournament. Some nights, the other team is better either because random helps them out a little bit, home court or they are a better team. But looking at individual player performance on any given night, especially if you're cherry picking particular games is folly -- it's just too small a sample size. Steve

#21153	03/03/2024 7:35:24 am	Mar 19th, 2037
coachwannabe Joined: 03/09/2018 Posts: 437 Penn Quakers IV.2	Just like normal basketball, some things are outside of your control. That said, I used to face very similar issues, letting up 3pt shots in the tourney despite playing + extend defense. Thing I learned is… the extend defense setting sucks in this game (no offense to Steve), and it actually caused more issues. When leave my team on 0, they usually guard the perimeter better (as long as I increase my man2man percentage). 50% man probably wasn’t enough because, half the time, they were scoring at will against your Zone defense. I wish there was a statistic where you could see how many points were scored against each defensive mode, but I’d bet most came against it then. Or, when you were playing extended defense earlier, your guys got beat up inside, so the CPU over-corrected and made you guard the paint, which then left your perimeter open (which is what I think the biggest issue with extend defense is).

#21154	03/03/2024 7:38:55 am	Mar 19th, 2037
coachwannabe Joined: 03/09/2018 Posts: 437 Penn Quakers IV.2	And I’ll add that, even knowing what I shared above, there are still games outside of my control. You just gotta live with it. Sometimes life is random.

#21157	03/03/2024 4:20:20 pm	Mar 21st, 2037
therelabeef Joined: 04/03/2022 Posts: 204 Inactive	Yes sometimes the game just goes in your favor. Today I killed Wabash by 60 points. Haha. One of my biggest ones of this season comes in the tournament. Also I was the 7 seed and they were the 2 seed. I feel like they just didn't match up well against us, even though they had the home court advantage. Good luck next year Wabash

#21158	03/03/2024 8:00:44 pm	Mar 21st, 2037
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 452 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	they had the home court advantage Neutral venue. Wabash is in Indiana; however, the game was held in Boston.

#21735	11/21/2024 3:14:34 pm	Jan 23rd, 2042
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Love this game! Benjamin Hampton 6'5" 6'6" OS-11 SR-9 Fin-5: 1-2 3pts Dontrell Matthews 6'7" 7'3" OS-16 SR-9 Fin-13 0-3 3pts Benjamin Hampton ID-11 PD-14 OFG 2-8 Dontrell Matthews ID-14 PD-18 OFG 2-4 Hank Bullard 6'1" 6'1" ID-8 PD-18 OFG 1-8!!!! Dontrell play like piece of cake at D this season Nice! Updated Thursday, November 21 2024 @ 3:16:35 pm PST

#21737	11/27/2024 1:37:29 pm	Feb 13th, 2042
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Again lose to BOT at home....crazy game... 60% against best defender - good logic

#21746	11/29/2024 5:21:22 pm	Feb 20th, 2042
Ced Joined: 02/14/2018 Posts: 452 Indiana Hoosiers IV.5	Dontrell play like piece of cake at D this season One part of running a good program that you might not think about is scouting the other schools. You've got to scout your competition in your conference. Over the seasons, I've developed ways of getting information. Guess it's from being in Hardwood for a while, knowing a lot of Presidents, having a lot of conversations with them out on the floor, having a feel for what programs are thinking. After scouting your school, I feel like Dontrell and Campaneris should have swapped positions in the current season because of their differences in Speed.

#21753	11/30/2024 4:34:50 pm	Feb 22nd, 2042
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	One part of running a good program that you might not think about is scouting the other schools. You've got to scout your competition in your conference. I analyze every opponent. in the first season I changed tactics for each match and formation, but as practice later showed, this does not give any effect, everything is decided by banal randomness. And I came to terms with it, but this season, when you lose to teams with an advantage in height and skills , also to a bot, then the logic of the generator becomes completely incomprehensible.

#21757	12/01/2024 1:38:22 pm	Feb 27th, 2042
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	one more nice game tonight: Lynn 0 rebounds,yeah!tallest player on the court REB-12 29PF against 15 10FT against 34 As far as I understand, fouls are not tied to defensive skills at all,just random and "bad" night

#21813	12/21/2024 1:00:31 pm	Oct 29th, 2042
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Clymer GL="x" 6 shots Norman GL="++" 2 shots Nice!

#21814	12/21/2024 2:45:06 pm	Oct 29th, 2042
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2440 Hardwood Administrator	Clymer GL="x" 6 shots Norman GL="++" 2 shots It's really hard to draw conclusions from analyzing just a single game. Of the six shots Clymer took...three were with short/expiring shot clocks and one was an under the basket layup. You can look at the shot chart and determine this fairly easily. Norman got only two shots, but was also coming off the bench. Looking at your team states -- Clymer has a Usage of 16.6%. Norman is above that. Let's see where they end up. At present, you've got Gordon, Campaneris and Holmes taking most of the shots -- because you're green lighting some of them. If you green light too many people, it takes shoots from others, right? Steve Updated Saturday, December 21 2024 @ 2:51:44 pm PST

#21819	12/21/2024 5:32:55 pm	Oct 29th, 2042
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2440 Hardwood Administrator	one more nice game tonight: Lynn 0 rebounds,yeah!tallest player on the court REB-12 Lynn is a one-star ~100 SI player. He averaged 6.0 rpg in 21.2 minutes as a sophomore last season and 8.0 rpg in 21.2 minutes as a junior this season. Seems like that's about right. Steve

#21832	12/25/2024 1:31:10 pm	Nov 12th, 2042
Mr3pts Joined: 04/17/2023 Posts: 47 Wabash Little Giants VI.21	Again lose to BOT,dat funny Wabash: 128.9 / 130.1 Southwestern: 115.5 / 116.6 Reb skills:12-9-14-14-7 7-12-12-12 against 7-6-10-5-5 11-8-5-3 Final Reb 40-43 Crazy!!!

#21833	12/25/2024 3:04:36 pm	Nov 12th, 2042
admin Joined: 01/24/2017 Posts: 2440 Hardwood Administrator	Again lose to BOT,dat funny Wabash: 128.9 / 130.1 Southwestern: 115.5 / 116.6 Reb skills:12-9-14-14-7 7-12-12-12 against 7-6-10-5-5 11-8-5-3 Final Reb 40-43 Crazy!!! Actually, you had more offensive rebounds than Southwestern. The problem was that your shooting was so poor, there were a lot more defensive rebounds for Southwestern to harvest than you. Seems pretty reasonable to me...certainly not Crazy!!! You lost in overtime to a team with a rating somewhat below you...but you were also on the road. As they say, "there are no upsets at home". Steve